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Post by Shamisen » Thu Jul 03, 2008 3:51 am

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Did Somebody say SPAM!

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Re: Yo

Post by Taiga » Thu Jul 03, 2008 6:12 am

I have to say... this is possibly the first forum I've been on where the owner spams >.>

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Re: Yo

Post by Joel » Thu Jul 03, 2008 7:46 am

You obviously haven't been on any forums I have or my friend has made then. Owner spams in almost every post. There were only 5 members though thinking about it...

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Re: Yo

Post by Taiga » Thu Jul 03, 2008 10:21 am

I tend to prefer the more strict forums =p

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Re: Yo

Post by Shamisen » Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:16 am

Pandemonium wrote:I have to say... this is possibly the first forum I've been on where the owner spams >.>


Joel wrote:You obviously haven't been on any forums I have or my friend has made then. Owner spams in almost every post. There were only 5 members though thinking about it...


Pandemonium wrote:I tend to prefer the more strict forums =p


Have you tried the product known as Spam?.. You'll find it has a unique, distinctive flavor and most people don't take to it readily.

The Spam that permeates this site runs the gamete, from hardly palatable to some what entertaining. I've been fairly open on the issue, however, I'd like everyone to know that my tolerance does have limits.

So now that I might have your attention. I'll say again. "This is the Internet, crawling with bots, visitors and others. Please be careful what you post."

More strict Pande? Well define strict with in the confines of this being a Haruhi site and strict isn't a word she understands readily, especially if it applies to her.

Joel, you make a good point. Pointless Spam does run off those who would normally contribute. They get the feeling their contributions would have little meaning in a sea of Spam.

Comments are welcomed with in the confines of this modified topic. (Sorry Lazy, but you did start this and the spamming).

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Re: Yo

Post by Taiga » Thu Jul 03, 2008 1:45 pm

Hmm...

I guess the fact that this is a Haruhi site has somewhat affected my judgment here. For this reason I'll use her actions as an example.

After Kyon's rant about clubs, early in the story, Haruhi had the idea to create her own. She screamed this out in the middle of class. This would be the off-topic revelations we find so common here. Yet she did sit down and glare pathetically at Kyon rather continue the conversation when this fact was forced down her throat.

Kyon is, and has always been (particularly by Itsuki), considered her moderater.

She then, rather than disrupt again, waited until class was over to realize this idea. If she hadn't she'd have caused herself and Kyon trouble for disrupting the group. She did show restraint there.

Surely that should be how any successful forum should operate?

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Post by Shamisen » Thu Jul 03, 2008 2:57 pm

Pandemonium wrote:Hmm...

I guess the fact that this is a Haruhi site has somewhat affected my judgment here. For this reason I'll use her actions as an example.

After Kyon's rant about clubs, early in the story, Haruhi had the idea to create her own. She screamed this out in the middle of class. This would be the off-topic revelations we find so common here. Yet she did sit down and glare pathetically at Kyon rather continue the conversation when this fact was forced down her throat.

Kyon is, and has always been (particularly by Itsuki), considered her moderator.

She then, rather than disrupt again, waited until class was over to realize this idea. If she hadn't she'd have caused herself and Kyon trouble for disrupting the group. She did show restraint there.

Surely that should be how any successful forum should operate?


*Nods*

So how would you suggest we proceed?
Do the rules need to be modified / changed?

Then how would you suggest the enforcement be carried out?

Editing or Deletion of offending post?
Warning or Temporary banning of offending members?

I'm interested in your comments and those of the other active members.

Cause these forums aren't living up to my expectations.

I made a Spam forum for that very purpose..
However it has made it's way throughout the entire site.

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Post by Kagami » Thu Jul 03, 2008 3:42 pm

It's true spam is everywhere here. However while S2 is over the horizon, we each have to rely on our interest in anime culture to drive conversations, otherwise this forum would be very quiet. I enjoy chatting with everyone here, most seem to share the same love of anime as I do.
Shamisen wrote:Cause these forums aren't living up to my expectations.

Shami, what did you expect of this site? We were all drawn here by Haruhi (:P), and the prospect of Season 2. Well as far as I know that is still over the horizon, therefore we are in the waiting room, so to speak. I guess (and I am not finger pointing) lack of input from forum moderators leaves active members the overall responsibility of maintaining topics, so naturally the conversation drifts, before a sharp *crack* from nagato's wip is felt, or a penetrating glare from Shami silences all.
If you are worried that the Tsuruya’s Insanity section has gotten a little bit big, then maybe we should assign a task to each of the active members here. Inject some interest into each of the forums, some responsibility. Something which can be reported back each week and discussed, relating to Haruhi or any other anime/manga that everyone seems to enjoy. That way we could spend less time in the spam section, with the added benefit of finding new series to watch/read from different people. Lucky Star, Clannad were two short lived examples. Perhaps this idea could be modified into special events where one topic becomes, through everyone inputting, the topic of interest. E.g. Haruhi S2 ~ everyone find some info on it for 1 week. To do that, however, we need more initiative from the forum moderators, because that's where all the decisions are made.

I really like this forum and the members involved, and am willing to help in any way maintain the unique style that drew me here.
Now thats enough thesis for now, breakfast time. Brain smarts a bit...
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Re: Yo

Post by Taiga » Thu Jul 03, 2008 4:01 pm

I believe I may have made suggestions in the 'Nagato's Mansion' section of the site some time previously.

Most of the rules I think should be put in place are pretty much stolen directly from another site... but, if they work, there shouldn't be any problem. Besides; I'd never remember all 30+ rules they have in place.

My main suggestion would be one I've seen work very effectively on another site (Joel and Xagor should agree, also). that would be a minimum or 3 main content words per post. Though, in my opinion that could be a few more. By main content I mean excluding hyperlinks, quotes etcetera.

I also hold the same opinion for a rule against double-posting. I've moaned at people for this previously. It clutters up topics with signatures and post separators. The only problem with this is in the case of posts exceeding the character limits... but that could easily be had as an exception.

I think that, in the case of off-topicness, a warning should suffice. If it doesn't return to the topic... locking. Deletion of a topic just gets a 'eh-whut'. Locking goes a long way to prove a point. Deletion of posts is best reserved for trolls and such. even then... it's still best to lock the topics they make, rather than deleting them (unless the content is pornography or excessive bad language). The site I mentioned also banned those who replied to the topic... but that's a little too harsh in my opinion.

[This took me an extra hour to post because my net screwed up and i had to end process, restart pc and router several times... then restore session... and i wrote this a lot earlier than xsirhc did ><]
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Re: Yo

Post by lazysunside » Thu Jul 03, 2008 4:06 pm

first you guys should talk this in a disscussion room or something. Don't turn my welcome back post into a covert operative or something
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Post by Shamisen » Thu Jul 03, 2008 4:15 pm

xsirhc wrote:It's true spam is everywhere here. However while S2 is over the horizon, we each have to rely on our interest in anime culture to drive conversations, otherwise this forum would be very quiet. I enjoy chatting with everyone here, most seem to share the same love of anime as I do.

Shamisen wrote:Cause these forums aren't living up to my expectations.


Shami, what did you expect of this site? We were all drawn here by Haruhi (:P), and the prospect of Season 2. Well as far as I know that is still over the horizon, therefore we are in the waiting room, so to speak. I guess (and I am not finger pointing) lack of input from forum moderators leaves active members the overall responsibility of maintaining topics, so naturally the conversation drifts, before a sharp *crack* from nagato's wip is felt, or a penetrating glare from Shami silences all.

If you are worried that the Tsuruya’s Insanity section has gotten a little bit big, then maybe we should assign a task to each of the active members here. Inject some interest into each of the forums, some responsibility. Something which can be reported back each week and discussed, relating to Haruhi or any other anime/manga that everyone seems to enjoy. That way we could spend less time in the spam section, with the added benefit of finding new series to watch/read from different people. Lucky Star, Clannad were two short lived examples. Perhaps this idea could be modified into special events where one topic becomes, through everyone inputting, the topic of interest. E.g. Haruhi S2 ~ everyone find some info on it for 1 week. To do that, however, we need more initiative from the forum moderators, because that's where all the decisions are made.

I really like this forum and the members involved, and am willing to help in any way maintain the unique style that drew me here.

Now thats enough thesis for now, breakfast time. Brain smarts a bit...


Noted... As for what I was hoping for from these forums, like a previous site I came from. It seems the series is in limbo, so there is little new information a foot and although it's turning into a chat room per-say. I don't know, I'm fairly frustrated with both sites and the lack of enthusiasm for some of the core members their in.

Pandemonium wrote:I believe I may have made suggestions in the 'Nagato's Mansion' section of the site some time previously.

Most of the rules I think should be put in place are pretty much stolen directly from another site... but, if they work, there shouldn't be any problem. Besides; I'd never remember all 30+ rules they have in place.

My main suggestion would be one I've seen work very effectively on another site (Joel and Xagor should agree, also). that would be a minimum or 3 main content words per post. Though, in my opinion that could be a few more. By main content I mean excluding hyperlinks, quotes etcetera.

I also hold the same opinion for a rule against double-posting. I've moaned at people for this previously. It clutters up topics with signatures and post separators. The only problem with this is in the case of posts exceeding the character limits... but that could easily be had as an exception.

I think that, in the case of off-topicness, a warning should suffice. If it doesn't return to the topic... locking. Deletion of a topic just gets a 'eh-whut'. Locking goes a long way to prove a point. Deletion of posts is best reserved for trolls and such. even then... it's still best to lock the topics they make, rather than deleting them (unless the content is ***** or excessive bad language). The site I mentioned also banned those who replied to the topic... but that's a little too harsh in my opinion.

[This took me an extra hour to post because my net screwed up and i had to end process, restart pc and router several times... then restore session... and i wrote this a lot earlier than xsirhc did ><]


Logged and also noted .. I need to run, this is not the end of this conversation by any means...

I do see a positive solution though :)

lazysunside wrote:first you guys should talk this in a discussion room or something. Don't turn my welcome back post into a covert operative or something
Then I'll post my thoughts later


Lazy please review the several threads that you've migrated into... I guess the saying in my country "Now you know how it feels." Would make sense.

I have moved this to it's own place.. You can post your thoughts here..

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Re: Spam and other Discussions

Post by lazysunside » Fri Jul 04, 2008 2:39 am

Well those post are from the chaotic era. Now time for order come to this forum
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